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Offline Hawkeye |
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Jun 8 2006, 06:54 AM
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Some folks have told me that they have trouble
understanding tablature. Well, here below is a very brief explanation. This is about as concise as I can make it. I hope you find it sueful, and will apply it to learning some of the "In The Style Of ..." transcriptions I have posted here at the BBF "Trading Post" area. I hopeyou find this useful. Cheers, Hawkeye Attached Image
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Offline delius |
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Jun 8 2006, 10:34 AM
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That's a good point about tabs being a supplement to
standard notation. I started out doing a little guitar tuition a year or
so ago, and briefly considered teaching kids the rudiments of reading
standard notation (although It's not how I learned, and I never read for
guitar, but I read for piano). I gave the kids the option, and none of
them were interested (preferring instead to endlessly climb the Stairway
to Heaven, or invite the Sandman to enter the lesson and, to be frank,
outstay his welcome!) I ended up using tabs exclusively, thus creating the problem of how to teach rythym. Personally, If I look at a tab, I'll pick the notes up from the tab, and the rythym from the standard notation. I'm not teaching at the moment, but I do intend going back to it at some time, and am still not sure about how best to teach rythym - especially to kids who don't have a natural ear for it.I'd be really interested to hear how you use tabs in your teaching practice... -------------------- |
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Offline leftyjm |
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Jun 8 2006, 02:03 PM
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As you certainly know tablature has been the norm for
plucked instruments for at least 300 years (roughly 1500 to 1800). As a
lute player myself, I use tablature all the time and teaching it is no
problem at all. I even think it is much more idiomatic than ordinary
notation, as it indicates very precisely left-hand fingering, and
facilitates the development of a clear mental image of the fretbooard.
The rhythm question is subsidiary and the system adopted by early musicians consisted in indicating the rhytm above the tab lines. The tab with letters was the so-called French tablature, but in Spain they had another system with numbers, similar to the one used for guitar nowadays. Here's one example of french tab (16th century Elizabethan) followed by the same in spanish tab with numbers. Any guitarist reading modern guitar tab can read this very quickly. The rhytms values are shown immediately above the tab : Attached Image |
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Offline leftyjm |
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Jun 8 2006, 02:04 PM
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here's the transcription with numbers instead of
letters (spanish style). If you want to play direct from your guitar, you
must tune down your G string to F# to have te same tuning as the lute :
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Offline leftyjm |
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Jun 8 2006, 02:04 PM
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Not much new under the sun |
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Offline delius |
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Jun 8 2006, 03:11 PM
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LeftyJM - yeah, I looked into this last year, and was
actually quite surprised to discover that tablature had been around for so
long. The kind of tabs I used for teaching were Powertab ones, where the
tab sits underneath the standard notation (although, as you point out,
tabs are [U] a standard notation) and only indicate the notes, not the
time values. At the time, If wondered if would be possible to somehow create a form of tablature that included note values - and there it is! However, at present I'm stuck with the Powertab format, and the problem of whether to teach kids to read standard rythym alongside tab (as Hawkeye says, using tab as a supplement), or to find some other way of doing it. My problem here is that I'm self taught, and learned entirely by listening to records and watching others play, so don't have the benefit of absorbing someone elses teaching style. -------------------- |
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Offline leftyjm |
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Jun 8 2006, 04:05 PM
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Delius, it's true that Powertab doesn't indicate the
rhythm values above the tab, but other tab softwares do indicate them, for
example Guitar Pro has a system of its own to indicate the rhythm above
the numbers corresponding to the notes to play. All the tablature softwares used for early music tabs obviously do that too : Fronimo or Django are the most commonly used. Django in particular is not too expensive and can be used for any sort of tabs you can imagine, early music or jazz, it doesn't make any difference. You can transform midi files into tabs very easily etc... It's certain that tab represents a lot of advantages on ordinary notation especially for beginners or self-taught musicians : it's a system that anybody can use after a very short initiation and it can be applied to the instrument straightaway, another serious advantage. I can read notation too but tablature feels much more comfortable and appropriate when it comes to playing plucked string instruments, no doubt about that ! |
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Offline Richard
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Jun 8 2006, 04:23 PM
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Thanks again Hawkeye.
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Offline delius |
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Jun 8 2006, 05:09 PM
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Thanks for the info leftjm - sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. -------------------- |
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Offline leftyjm |
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Jun 8 2006, 05:18 PM
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Just in case, here is the link to the web page of the Django software. From here you can download a demo version to test it. The full version costs $80 (= about £44). The fellow who developped this software is a Frenchman who lives in California, Alain Veylit, and is a very nice fellow, always ready to help if there are problems to solve. |
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Offline BlusinBrotherGlenn |
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Jun 8 2006, 11:39 PM
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delius Quote, "Personally, If I look at a tab, I'll
pick the notes up from the tab, and the rythym from the standard
notation" I have been trying to teach myself guitar for just over a year now. With DVD's CD's and books. Rythym is very hard for me on Tabs but I can see Trips etc. on the notation above the Tabs even though I don't really know how to read music. I agree with you about listening to a song, you get rythym, pauses, stops and little things that would be very hard to put on paper. You could teach a short lesson on the basics of notation. Whole notes quater notes and rythym etc. Then see if there is any students who want to know more ? BlusinBrotherGlenn |
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Offline bluesguy |
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I have found using Powertab to learn how to play very useful. My usual mode of learning the song is to work on just playing the notes or chords and then work on the rhythm. Powertab includes 'standard' music notation which does show timing values and the ability to play the tab as MIDI, I am able to get the basic rhythm down. -------------------- An ambassador for Christ David Tannen Check Out: http://www.jcdisciples.org/contributors/davidtannen.html Topeka, Kansas (still looking for the yellow brick road) |